dynamical laws, which means that they connect the numerical values of
measurements at a given time to their values at a later or earlier time



One paradox of the Polish pope is that while he is rightly revered for helping bring down the godless Communists, he has replicated something very like the old Communist Party in his church. Karol Wojtyla has shaped a hierarchy that is intolerant of dissent, unaccountable to its members, secretive in the extreme and willfully clueless about how people


at its core, that's what anger is all about: a feeling of disempowerment, a perceived loss of control.


The book's most presumptuous assumption is that intelligence or morality can prevent extinction. The fossil record is littered with proto-hominid braincases larger than ours. Meanwhile, protozoans have been doing very well, thank you, and they have the intelligence and morality of, well, pond scum.

DNA is a very long string of "code words", arranged in an orderly sequence. It contains the instructions for creating all the proteins in the body.

The set of code words required to describe one protein is called a "gene"
A chromosome is the visible state of genetic material during a phase of the division of the cell (metaphase).

half the Senate is elected by just 16 percent of the population.



The Middle East Conflict is not a war between Israel and the Palestinians. It is not about land. It is about Arabs against Jews.
50 years ago it was the Germans against the Jews.
100 years ago it was the Russians against the Jews.
500 years ago it was the Catholic Church and the Inquisition.
900 years ago it was the Crusaders.
2000 years ago it was the Romans.
2500 years ago it was the Greeks, the Persians, the Babylonians, the Philistines, the Canaanite Nations.
And before them, it was the Moabites and the Midianites.
3500 years ago the Jews were enslaved by Egypt; and before that Laban tried killing Jacob and the king of the Philistines tried killing Abraham.

Intertainer chief executive Jonathan Taplin thinks we are on the cusp of a cyclical cultural transition that he has seen before, back in 1964 when he was road manager for Bob Dylan as the musician was ushering in a folk backlash against corporate pop icons like Fabian.


Web Video's Growing Pains And Gains
By Leslie Walker
Thursday, May 16, 2002; Page E01
Washington Post



every operating system has a main procedure called a kernel


We hear the never-ending mantra, of "socialism" everytime there's an effort to correct an injustice, or make improvements on deplorable conditions. Well, if thinking that pregnant women and children shouldn't starve makes you a socialist, then we plead guilty.
The Fight For Children


An economist who heads an Indian investment group argued that never before have the words of Karl Marx sounded so pressing as now.

The root of the problem is the sense of ``alienation'' which people feel when they are being exploited by the market, and thus cite as the cause of their unhappiness. The advancement of globalization is mass producing alienation on a global scale. However, industrialized nations, including the United States, are unable t




Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed,
the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

-- Julius Caesar

This war will accomplish one good thing. It will help the world move towards one government. In the end it will take more bloodshed than this one crisis. Good things always happen at the worst times. Look at the achievements during the depression. It would be nice if we could prevent mistakes rather than learning from them. Such is the human condition.
quoting Aeschylus. Kennedy said that in time the pain would lessen, and from it would come wisdom "through the awful grace of God."


We know by the year about 2020, the greatest disabling phenomenon for the health of the human race will be depression," Bennett said. "Not cancer, not heart disease, but depression."


No, something can be done," Atta replied. "There are ways. The U.S.A. is not omnipotent."

Rather, the ultimate virus would hinge on social engineering -- antivirus jargon for the tricks virus writers use to fool people into infecting themselves and others.

mighty corporations are nothing but members of a giant (Dis-?) Organized Crime syndicate, there with the sole purpose of creating wealth for the higher CEOs and funding for the Reps and Dems

Republicans used to criticize Bill Clinton for the permanent campaign, but this puts Bill Clinton to shame," said Dennis J. Goldford, political science chairman at Drake University in Des Moines. "George Bush is a political animal."


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."




Arthur Schopenhauer
There are 3.1 billion letters in the DNA code in every one of the 100 trillion cells in the human body
If all of the DNA in the human body were put end to end, it would reach to the Sun and back more than 600 times.


There is one very simple rule in life: Boast about your wealth, lifestyle and possessions, and it will occur to others either to get the same for themselves, or to deprive you of yours. The more remote a possibility the former becomes, the tastier the latter will seem." – Michael Thomas, New York Observer, November 13, 2000


We dont see things as they are,
we see them as we are.
Anais Nin

THOSE INTOLERANT OF INTOLERANCE ARE MORE INTOLERANT THAN THOSE THEY ACCUSE OF BEING INTOLERANT

When a dog runs, the dog moves his legs; when a sea urchin runs, the legs move the sea urchin." - Jakob von Uexküll



We live in a country that tolerates enormous disparities in income, material possessions and social privilege. That may be inevitable in a free-market economy. But those disparities should not extend to essential services like education, clean water and air and protection from crime, all of which we already acknowledge are public responsibilities. The same should be true for medical care — particularly since we can well afford to provide it for everyone if we end the waste and profiteering of our market-based system.


Marcia Angell, the former editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine, is a senior lecturer in social medicine at Harvard Medical School. nytimes 12 Oct 02



"Osama bin Laden has been very, very effective. We've got to ask, 'Why is this man so popular around the world? Why are people so supportive of him in many countries?'



any problem can be
solved when broken down into small enough steps.

he'd rather have an easy victory in a conventional war than stick to the hard task of tracking down stateless terrorists.

a miracle is a "shift in perception


Television appears to be an effective means of reducing awareness of how we are falling short of our own standards."





11:04am Mar 7, 2003 EST (# 2106 of 2106) krugman

Shame is the operative word here. It is too bad that politics make it necessary for there to be a calamity before there can be progress. So bring on the calamity. It will be shameful. What will it take to bring the U.S. conservative movement into the real world? It is like the United States has become the old South. The civil war was only suppose to last a few weeks. What kind of inferno will it take to make us new again? Someday world government will make all this look truly ridiculous. First however there have to be a lot of conservatives making their last pitch for a dying way of life

I mean, if I don't like getting there, it's unlikely I'll like being there

savor the journey of
discovering yourself,




Podhoretz's son-in-law, Elliot Abrams, pled guilty to perjury. Abrams was later pardoned by Bush's father, and today, he runs Middle East policy in the Bush White House

Certainly none of her ideas were bizarre or impossible. People are harassed and envied all the time. But her absolute absence of doubt was what made her psychotic. She could not imagine being wrong


"As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air-- however slight lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." Justice Wm O Douglas, US Supreme Court

Violence never solves anything. All violence is followed by a never-ending cycle of retribution. Bush is illegitimate, fictitious, unelected. Every human being around the world is exactly the same as we are. There is no such thing as evil, there are only cultural differences. Love can solve every problem. If only we would renounce violence and miltarism, the world would lovingly embrace us. We consume much more than our fair share of the world's resources, therefore we deserve to be hated

trans-national ideals of conduct and justice



State Department spokesman Chip Barclay said: "We are concerned that these executions may have been a result of summary proceedings. Summary proceedings are a hallmark of totalitarian dictatorships."

'military tribunals' to be setup by the US to try people they have unilaterally declared to be 'terrorists'may be closed to the public, may offer no right to an appeal and may impose the death sentance


From CommonMe and PseudoRandom:
"If you want to understand how the world views the US, it is probably very similar to the way we view Microsoft:


Extremely successful, much of it appears to be undeserved.

We are totally dependent upon them, and there isn't much of an alternative.

Becoming too successful in our niche simply means that we will attract their attention.

We like it when we see them fail.

We are uncomfortable when we see them fail because they just keep working at it until they get it right -- they will always be back. Unless, of course, it is determined to be an uninteresting market.

They don't care about us. We are just a source of revenue. The quality of their products and support is only as much as absolutely necessary to keep us in the fold.

We hate them, but if they offered us a job, we would join them in a second and gleefully begin to oppress our former colleagues."

Camus: the union of absolute justice and absolute reason equals murder in the name of freedom


Liberal (lib-e-ral) adj. . . . giving generously . . . broadening the mind in a general way . . . tolerant, open minded, especially in religion and politics . . . favoring democratic reform and individual liberty, moderately progressive." "Conservative (kon-sur-va-tiv) adj. disliking or opposed to great or sudden change, moderate, avoiding extremes . . . favoring private enterprise and freedom from government control."

Max Weber observed once in The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism: "Religious belief which is primarily mystical may very well be compatible with a pronounced sense of reality in the field of empirical fact; it may even support it directly... mysticism may indirectly even further the interests of rational conduct."

moral relativism -- which holds that competing claims to right and wrong cannot be judged objectively


exploring (liberal), but also presenting traditional viewpoints (conservative

A Conservative is one who honors and seeks to preserve the best of our historic values. A Liberal is one who values bold new thinking to build a future for all peoople which is even better

too many Americans think of a Liberal as a Fagan, picking the pockets of the deserving wealthy, corrupting the morals of our youth, and exhibiting not the slightest hint of conscience or self-control

not truly "liberals," but libertines

Conservatives who are greedy, mean-spirited know-nothing Luddites, willing to consign the poor and unfortunate to the workhouses and prisons and to nuke foreign populations on the slightest provocation

angry, mean-spirited conservatives and angry, self-indulgent liberals.







stability-lability
-------------------
A dimension of classifying the responsiveness of the autonomic nervous system. Labile individuals are those in whom a wide range of stimuli can elicit autonomic arousal; stable individuals are not so easily aroused.



dialectic {Gk. dialektikh [dialektikê]}
Process of thinking by means of dialogue, discussion, debate, or argument

I came out of the media and found myself in the Clinton White House, where we were overtaken by the first impeachment in 135 years," he said. "It's hard to top that for polarizing, except for the Civil War."


the fine line between pundit and putz,

Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make famous."


The more north the people went "out of Africa," the harder it was to get food, gain shelter, make clothes, and raise children

I can easily suffer a man who burns the flag yet wraps himself in the Constitution...I cannot suffer a man who burns the Constitution yet wraps himself in the flag!


Binary thinking seems to be the path of least resistance for the perceptual system, for thinking, and for linguistic structures.

Following our defeat in Vietnam we became a better nation. We were humbled, even humiliated. We asked questions about ourselves we had not asked before.


For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?
Thomas More in "Utopia"


Democrats stand for equality and greater federal control. Republicans represent freedom and greater state control

Or will they try to change it rather than understand it?

1-800-925-6576 to check the amount of time you have used

to be safe you have to be wicked

politics for public consumption is essentially the moralization of experience
New York times editorial about Hillary's book June 11


G. K. Chesterton as having pointed out that the characteristics the modern mind prides itself on are precisely those of madness:

Madmen are the greatest reasoners we know .... All their vital processes are shrunken into the mind. What is the one thing they lack that sane men possess? The ability to be careless, to disregard appearances, to relax and laugh at the world .... They can't do what religion has always asked: to believe in a justification of their lives that seems absurd.


most people have a very hard time forgiving those whom they have deeply wronged
Molly Ivins about the Clintons


Increasingly the role our nation has taken is the role of those who refuse to give up the privileges and pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investment."

-Martin Luther King, Jr. ["A Time to Break the Silence" speech given at Riverside Church New York City April 4, 1967]

"It's a short step from the limo to the gutter." - Kinky F


There’s an old joke that goes, “A liberal is a person who takes the other guy’s side in an argument.” Liberals, by intellectual training and by emotional inclination, aren’t street-fighters. They see both sides. They think of issues from the points of view of interests other than their own and don’t mind conceding that the other fellow has a point. They want to believe that reasonable people can disagree in good faith.


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Posted: 2003-06-03 10:59
The poll would be more useful it were along these lines:

1. What pathogen do you prefer in your drinking water?
a) Typhus
b) Cholera
c) Neither

2. When undergoing surgery, for anesthesia do you prefer:
a) Nothing
b) Aspirin
c) Ibuprofen
d) A properly equipped anestheseologist

3. During what hours do you prefer to be locked into your home during curfew?
a) 6pm until 6am
b) 11pm until 5am
c) I prefer not be locked into my home

4. How often should trash be picked up?
a) Never
b) Hardly ever
c) Regularly

5. Do you prefer to be stopped and searched at checkpoints:
a) Every city block
b) Every kilometer
c) Randomly with no rhyme or reason
d) Not at all

6. Electricity should be available:
a) Never
b) 2 hours per day
c) Unpredictably
d) Always

7. Unexploded ordinance available to children is:
a) Good
b) Bad

8. I prefer my medical facility:
a) In a tent provided by a foreign power
b) In a traditional permanent structure with civilian physicians

9. My favorite form of government is:
a) Military, by an occupying power
b) Composed of citizens of my country




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His forte seems to be war and tax cuts and how long could we be involved in that type of rheoric


stale liberal orthodoxy couched in practiced moderating euphemisms

Barkie Blowhard" or "Howls T. Redface" or "Monger McShocks-a-Lot"?

who's had to harden his heart to survive




Re: Comments on Michael Moore's outburst
by: cat00012000 03/24/03 11:01 am
Msg: 2305 of 2305

75% support our troops? You guys wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face. You will pay for your lies, and I'll be laughing my butt off. You truly make me sick to my stomach. People hate us because of people like you, and I'd say they have a point


Re: WHAT WOULD JESUS BOMB?
by: cat00012000 03/25/03 06:20 pm
Msg: 11929 of 11929

the whole idea behind conservatism is a defensive posture. A conservative might know how to love. It's just against his principles to show it. Conservatism existed before people ever organized into societies. Today the original conservatives are regarded as criminals. The lack of a conscience made them the kings of the roost. Just as we have advanced to the point of separating them from society and keeping them in cages someday we will separate from today's top dogs.


07:32pm Mar 25, 2003 EST (# 4681 of 4681) krugman

Marxism is coming true again. Politics and business are merging. Capitalists are hanging themselves. It feels so good. I am so sick of these worthless, useless, hopeless dudes holding themselves up as society's finest when in reality they are society's lowest and will be remembered as such. Everytime they think they are getting away with something they are in reality doing themselves in. It does feel good.


Why is america defensive & destructive
by: cat00012000 03/27/03 07:15 am
Msg: 251 of 251

Remember Communism? Heard about McCarthyism? Well it's coming around again. What makes us do this? How do the weakest among us become the powerful? When are we going to learn from this phenomena? Could it be the end of us? What is it in our character that makes us susceptible to this kind of sickness? Is it our overwelming materialism?

02:35am Apr 2, 2003 EST (# 65862 of 65862)

As a Vietnam veteran I feel a certain license to criticize this war. Is it unpatriotic to hope we lose? By losing again maybe once and for all we will put an end to the mentality that creates these tragedies.

07:19pm Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 71828 of 71828)

I can't believe the lies you right wingers love to propagate. Really that's a big reason why in the end you are always disgraced and shunned as you will be this time as well. You'll say you've learned your lesson, and we'll take you back as always. Eventually however people will look back on your evil ways and wonder how such a thing was ever allowed to happen. It has been the history of civilization. I don't expect it to end soon. I do need to express however how much you repulse me.







Simplicity is simply intoxicating. Aren't we falling victim to the same thing that has us in this mess in the first place? Peace and love abound today as Bagdad falls, but it is just the calm before the disaster. The most successful coup the CIA ever did was to install the Shah of Iran. That worked great for a while too. The idea that something positive can be accomplished by being violent has to be finally let go of by civilization. This is going to be just one more disaster to make us finally realize this way of doing things is a hopeless. Really we could have made an Iraq a U.N. protectorate after the first war, but that would have been too easy. There will be a lesson learned here. What it will be is hard to know. It's being learned in the cradle of western civilization though. So it should be a good one.
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Sounds a little bit like life. Doesn't it? "Another botched attempt." In times like these it is indeed hard to keep one's eyes on the prize. Just remember that this will be remembered. The fact is that this could have gone unnoticed not long ago. No more. Not that there isn't going to have to be a reckoning. Once the cycle of violence begins it is not easily damped. Hope that there isn't more escalation. Though there might be. It's probably like the racism phenomena in america. Sometimes certain ways of thinking only die out when the people espousing them die. We wanted revenge for the twin towers. Do we now think there isn't going to be revenge for the revenge and then revenge for that? Maybe the ultimate thing that is to learned here that the old ways of toughness have give way to the new. Sure the new ways are going to have their problems. They won't be perfect. They too will eventually have to be replaced. We will never be what we want to be or what we should be. But at least we won't be what we used to be.
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02:16pm Apr 9, 2003 EST (# 23220 of 23220) reply to Maureen Dowd

For every up there is a down. The neocons are riding high now just like their hero, Hitler did for a while. This experience hopefully will teach us the same lesson that the germans learned. What is it to be a good German? At what point will americans quit putting america first? I know there are many that don't want to live to see that day, and these people will no doubt live long lives. Some people just like the past more than the future. After all wasn't it the past that makes the future possible? Don't we owe everything to our fore fathers? One thing we owe our ancestors is to keep forging ahead just as they did. Conservatives love the founding fathers. The founding fathers weren't just liberal they were radical. They were more than just radical they were revolutionary! We are going through a time of consequences. The pain and suffering of others is looked at as a good thing. This does not bode well. We wanted revenge for the twin towers. Do we not think that there will be revenge for the revenge and revenge for that? Random violence was the rule rather than the exception before civilizations came to be. Being civilized was better. Now the whole world is at least starting to be civilized. Those that think violence is the way to a better world are living in a time ill suited to them. They may be having a temporary respite, but they are showing us what Hitler did. There is more to life than nationalism


victims have no appeals
by: cat00012000 04/12/03 05:30 am
Msg: 846 of 846

Some people think that you have to be worse than the other fellow to beat him. Some don't. By giving criminals appeals we make sure we are not acting like them. America is becoming meaner and meaner. It will turn around someday. For now however hate reigns. I hope those of you that like it that way have a good time. Frankly, I think your lives suck.


O'Reilly is listed as the fifth most admired man in america. Can we blame this on 9/ll? I guess the political pendulum will move continously forever. Someday they will look back at us and wonder how we got this way. It's three steps forward and two backwards. I wish O'Reilly was the full two, but somehow I have to doubt that he is.
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I saw a poll where O'Reilly was the fifth most admired man in america. With the new patriot act one really has to be careful about criticizing our seemingly reborn country. It will all pass, howerver. It always does. The worse things get the better they will be in the future. This creepy nationalism will have to die an ugly death. Such is the way of life.
Cat | Email | 05.01.03 - 12:11 pm | #

You've heard the old adage, "Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better", many a time. Well it applies here. We've had a constitutional amendment here in Missouri for some time that basically disallows tax increases. What term limits have done is put the worst of the worst in office so that the right wing can show their true colors. Eventually we will get a backlash that will finally right the wrongs this backward state has been piling up for years. You don't like term limits? How would you have liked a third term for Ronald Reagan? Senator Byrd has been a stand up guy, but he really should have been gone years ago. We need to flatten the heirarchy, not reinforce it.

Posted by Cat at May 1, 2003 12:22 PM

I don't see anything happening here that didn't happen under Reagan too. People sit in the middle. You have extremists that are motivated by ideology at both ends. Politics by its nature fails. First one side fails then the other. Currently the right is failing. The left will get its turn again, and it will fail again. Changes outside the political spectrum will overtake us as they always do. Slowly we are moving into the future. You can't make people better than they are. Be glad they aren't worse than they are. Mistakes are the rule not the exception. I see that I am including about every cliche that I know so I will close now. Keep the faith, and don't get too carried away.

Posted by Cat at May 10, 2003 10:46 AM
Name:
Terrorism is going to be something that the right is going to use in the political campaign. As a matter of fact they will try to make it the entire political campaign. It's your life, stupid. The thing of it is is that they can't make you safe. No one can. Putting an end to terrorism is like putting an end to crime. It ain't gonna happen. It's just part of the human condition. All we can do is minimize it as much as possible. This is where ideology takes over. In general terms the right believes free enterprise is sacrosant where the left believes more in social justice. In other words conservatives think a disparity in wealth is a good thing. Liberals think the common good is more important. Crime and it's subset, terrorism, has as a basic motivation, the disparity in wealth. So basically the right is telling us that we have to cause terrorism, and then we have to fight it. This is what we have to come to terms with.
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Political rhetoric today is being carried on by the likes of Howard Stern and Pat Robertson. The agenda has been so radicalized that the less extreme elements have been totally forgotten about. Bill O'Reilly is making a punching bag out of Jesse Jackson and various rap artists. What can we do to bring people back to their senses? Good question. One answer is that world events will eventually do it for us. What the future holds nobody knows. One thing is for sure. Something will happen. Will the world become a better or worse place? Another good question. Whatever happens all this reactionary garbage will die again for a while. Just as good things arise again and again so do the bad.
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To Victor Hanson at National Review online
May 23, 2003 8:45 a.m.
Middle East Tragedies
Pressing ahead is our only choice.

Superficial judgemental analysis will only increase the hatred felt for us. Thankyou for making the bullseye on our backs a little larger. I suppose I better watch what I say. With your rhetoric you are probably on very good terms with Ashcroft and his thought police. I usually try to refrain from negative comments as that seems to be the job of the right, not the left. I'm sending this one just to remind you that the next innocent american lives that are lost are on the hands of those like you. You hate and wonder why people hate back. It ain't rocket science.

Someday the whole world will be one nation. The suffering that will lead up to that day will be immense. Would that we could just skip right to the end. There is no substitute for evolution, however. Sadness is a fact of life. Suffering is a necessity. Dreading the future is a hard way to go. There is no possible way to see the what the path will look like. Eventually however all this crap about sovereignty will be a thing of the past. There will always be suffering. The only thing that will change are the things that cause it. posted on the smirking chimp


Did you ever wonder why it took so long for the Republicans to regain power in the House? You're seeing the answer now. I guess that it's true that money like sex makes you stupid. Rather than being a player Republicans want to have a tantrum and then get kicked out of office. Which party is prey to the extremists? We no longer believe in the divine right of kings. Now we seem to have to convince the rich that their divine rights are in serious question too. Really this is just helping liberals. The worse conservatives screw up the faster we will leave the past behind.
In response to Paul Krugman's column May 28


Re: James Higdon: 'The DLC lures the Democratic Party gently into that goodnight'
by CC1 on...

Yeah right. We need another Dukakis, Mondale or even McGovern. Why does the party with the most members always seem to lose? Because we give in to extremists. It's one thing to get the nomination. It's another to win the election. Swing voters determine the election. They won't be very impressed with a radical liberal. I like Howard Dean. Encouraging him to be even further left than he is is not the the way to go, however. Griping and losing often go together. Being realistic and winning are much more rewarding. I'll admit that right now congressional democrats are being totally spineless. When a couple of dozen guys with box cutters can bring down the two tallest buildings in the nation and kill over 300 people at military headquarters people have a right to be a little stunned. Sure the right is having a field day. The tide will turn. It always does. I just don't want the left to be its own worst enemy with a bunch of fanatics making us look bad. Clinton was the first legitimate democratic winner since Kennedy because democrats put winning above their petty gripes. How long we will have to lose again before we come back around to being real?


Re: Lisa Walsh Thomas: 'The Isaiah crowd: How their Neo-Christianity is killing us' (Score: 1)
by CC1 on Monday, June 02 @ 19:28:32 EDT
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Americans have given in to the zealots there is no doubt. It is impossible to tell how far it will go. Terrorism is the new communism. Now instead of waving a flag we wave a bible. This will end though. It's a shame we can't have reform until after we have a scandel. I guess you'd have to call it the human condition.




Re: Pseudo-intellectual Liberal Pissing & Moaning (Score: 1)
by CC1 on Saturday, June 07 @ 10:53:18 EDT
(User Info)

Scum calling people scum, and now I'm calling you scum. So let's all be scum. Let's get tough. I mean that's why you come here. Isn't it? Kick some ass. Fighting is so fun. Hate is joy. Can you be any more negative? Yes, this is what is wrong with democrats and the world in general. People are just not willing enough to kick butt. There is too much love in the world. We would all be so much better off if were just meaner. Well here's a newsflash. Mean people suck! Hate is not a family value. You destroy yourself when you destroy others. Your life is miserable, and you deserve it.

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Posted: 2003-06-11 17:35
I saw where some neocon said liberalism is a mental illness. Maybe politics is. Remember Dan Quayle and the cultural elite? I think it is pretty obvious that some forms of rascism are a mental illness. Just as there is a thin line between genius and insanity so is there a line between personality flaws and personality disorders. The financially elite feel that since it is "their" money they have the right to determine how it is spent. Unfortunately the american people are currently agreeing with them



11:29am Jun 15, 2003 EST (# 20884 of 20884) Friedman

"Self defense is self destruction." Is there a better way to characterize the liberal position at present? I don't think so. Fighting terrorism causes terrorism. Terrorism is crime. You can't eliminate crime. Give it up. You have to go after the causes of crime. Conservatives hate that. It goes at their most profound belief: the disparity of wealth. Some people deserve to have more than others. Do they? Self interest keeps us from becoming a totalitarian society. There will always be a role for individual responsibility. But where's the balance?


11:18am Jun 17, 2003 EST (# 16754 of 16754) response to Krugman

15 billion for nuclear power plants. It's said that we are going to build the world trade center even higher than it was. Does anybody see a certain amount of insanity here? Americans have gone down the rabbit hole of denial, and they defintely don't want to come back. I guess that we'll have to come back to reality eventually. I saw Hillary Clinton on Dave Letterman last night. There was some strong tugging going on. I know it has to be gradual. The tide will be turning. How long it will take is up for grabs. But it will turn. It always does.


We need a robot that can manufacture copies of itself and repair itself. Of course this is easier said than done. Building up to it seems to be the quest. Basically we need a machine that through its actions become self aware. By constantly repeating the same tasks on itself and its environment it will gradually evolve. Look at the horse. Its basic activity was survival until it reached a point where it became useful to man. It evolved from just taking care of itself. I've been trying to do something along these lines. Basically the machine has determine its own design through trial and error.


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Posted: 2003-06-21 18:36
Man, these have been some long posts. I know most jews are still democrats, but the right wing in Israel has drowned out the opposition so all we see is the right wing rhetoric. Also Shimon Peres just doesn't do anything for me. He reminds me of Neil Kinnock, the guy that preceded the current leader of Labor. All that guy could do was lose.

I have to admit that I used to hate the palistinians when they were blowing up airplanes and taking hostages at the olympics. Over the years, however, I have come to see their side of things. Now I feel the same way about the Israelis as I used to feel about the palistinians. They make me very angry. The more secure they try to become the more they put themselves at risk. How someone so intelligent can act so stupid is beyond me. By trying to defend themselves they are destroying themselves. Trying to destroy Hamas will only increase its popularity tremendously.

Northern Ireland is a good example of a just cause that resorted to terrorism in order to make the authorities give them a place at the bargaining table. Even the Israelis themselves originally used terrorism back in the '40s. I remember in the Carter administration when diplomats weren't even allowed to talk to the PLO.

I'm afraid the killing will go on here for years to come. I also think it decreases the safety for all of us. The more terrorism there is in the world the more likely it will spread. We need to withdraw our support for Israel until they make peace. This means no money and no weapons.

They say a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. Well Israel has been mugged all right. You often see in cases of abuse where the abused eventually become abusers themselves. I think this has happened in the case of Israel. We are not doing them any favors by giving in to them. In fact we are putting ourselves in danger by doing so.


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Posted: 2003-06-21 19:02
Such is one of the differences between liberals and conservatives. Of course it is hard for either a liberal or conservative to judge, being biased and all. Rumsfeld reminds me a lot of McNamara. Eventually he will probably recede to a life of disgrace. Really he's just the wrong guy for the wrong job at the wrong time. I saw a speech by Bill Moyers the other day where he talked about the guy Karl Rove likes to model himself after. The things these people believe really makes you wonder. I remember when James Watt said it wasn't necessary to preserve our forests since we were pretty near the second coming. And this guy was a cabinet official! You have to feel sorry for these guys, but for their own sake you have to try to get them out of power. Unfortunately it is the success of liberals that often brings them into power. Once times get good people tend to get conservative. Look how bad things had to get before we could elect someone like FDR. Conservatives get away with murder. Liberals can't even get away with lying about sex.


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Posted: 2003-06-21 19:34
This poll demonstrates how far into denial the american public is. After 9/11 we went down the rabbit hole. The question is how much more could Bush get away with? And will he try? Will he count his blessings, or will he feel the need to hit some place new? Look at the free ride he is getting on the economy? He has to keep on keeping people distracted. As long as he can keep americans scared he doesn't have to worry about the chickens coming home to roost. Keeping them scared through the next election will be the trick.


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Posted: 2003-06-21 19:42
It's not that complicated. America went down the rabbit hole on 9/!!. Terrorism is the new communism. As long as the right can make americans scared of the dark they rule.

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Posted: 2003-06-21 19:54
You can see why the chicken hawks were chicken. In reality war could be considered a form of child abuse. One reason they like them young besides their physical fitness is that the young obey.

You know, we had a certain humility after Vietnam. It's going to be hell getting back to it.

Ballot Box: Jun 22 2003 10:59AM


Subject: The Baath are just Iraqi conservatives
From: cat
Date: Jun 22 2003 10:59AM

Have you ever noticed how conservatives from two different systems hate each other. Liberals on the other hand value tolerance and diversity. New to them is good.


Subject: uncivil conduct
From: cat
Date: Jun 22 2003 11:13AM

Really that is the crux of the situation. Instead of seriously dealing with 9/11 conservatives used it to make political hay. This has thrown us into a period of instability. Instability, as it is well known is bad for the markets and in long run conservatives in general.


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Posted: 2003-06-26 11:17
It's all a war to some people. It's just the way they think. It takes all kinds to make the world go round. Unfortunately they all get their chance to run things. Such is life.


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Posted: 2003-06-26 13:06
I've been contemplating it a lot. What does it mean that Clinton is still being blamed for everything? Molly Ivins says that it is hard to forgive someone that you've wronged. It is like this is some dying gasp of the right wing agenda. But that is way to much to hope for. The right will always be with us. The pendulum has got some speed up right now, however. And speed one way always results in speed the other. All we have to do is hold on for the ride.



You really generated some comments here. I wish there was some quick and dirty way to turn things around. I'm afraid there isn't. A blog on liberal blogs would be a winner, but who would run it? How would it work? How does Google do its news with a machine? There are so many lessons the democrats could learn from the republicans right now. Most importantly, the national and state orgainzations have to quit fighting over turf. The only way to really do this is to have the national committee be responsible for salaries at both levels. I know this sounds like big brother, but it is necessary. Democrats are always going to squabble. It's who we are. There are certain squabbles that have to be kept to a minimum, however. The conflict between the states and the national is the worst. The only way to do this is for the national to take care of the states. Republicans do this, and it really helped them.

Long range there is the explosion of absentee voting. Democrats have to go after votes the way Republicans go after money. In my state the only thing you have to say to get an absentee ballot is that you'll be out of town on election day. Republicans don't wait until election day to collect their money. Democrats shouldn't wait to collect their votes. Republicans are going to oppose this tooth and nail. That's one way you know how important it is. Give up getting people to the polls. Take the polls to them. We should know how many votes we have before the polls are open. Waiting until election day is just too much of an organizational nightmare. Internet voting will come around eventually, but we can't wait that long. We need to set up trees and cells just like a terrorist organization. We have machines now. We need to implement them. Like I said this will be opposed every step of the way. Go look at the freeper website. Making it easier to vote is one of their biggest fears.

Well, I'll get off the soapbox now. Thanks for giving me a turn.

Posted by cat1 at June 28, 2003 08:14 AM

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Posted: 2003-06-28 13:01
Compassion fatigue brings the GOP into office. Outrage fatigue will get them out.